Necromonicon, légende ou réalité ?

Ici, nous ne parlerons que du livre en lui méme.
Qu'est il pour vous, existe il...

La nature et l'existence des différentes entitées du mythe ne doivent pas étre abordées dans ce topic.

Je place ici des extraits d'un article trouvé au"http://www.flashback.se/archive/necronomicon.html"

Il conteste certaines idées répendues, mais prend quand méme le parti pris de l'existence du fameux livre.

What is the Necronomicon?

The Necronomicon of Alhazred, (literally: "Book of Dead Names") is not, as is popularly believed, a grimoire, or sorcerer's spell-book. It was conceived as a history, and hence "a book of things now dead and gone". An alternative derivation of the word Necronomicon gives as its meaning "the book of the customs of the dead", but again this is consistent with the book's original conception as a history, not as a work of necromancy.

The author of the book shared with Madame Blavatsky a magpie-like tendency to garner and stitch together fact, rumour, speculation, and complete balderdash, and the result is a vast and almost unreadable compendium of near-nonsense which bears more than a superficial resemblance to Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine.

In times past the book has been referred to guardedly as Al Azif , and also The Book of the Arab. Azif is a word the Arabs use to refer to nocturnal insects, but it is also a reference to the howling of demons (Djinn). The Necronomicon was written in seven volumes, and runs to over 900 pages in the Latin edition.

Q. Who was Abdul Alhazred?
Little is known. What we do know about him is largely derived from the small amount of biographical information in the Necronomicon itself - he travelled widely, from Alexandria to the Punjab, and was well read. He had a flair for languages, and boasts on many occasions of his ability to read and translate manuscripts which defied lesser scholars. His research methodology however smacked more of Nostradamus than Herodotus.

Just as Nostradamus used ritual magic to probe the future, so Alhazred used similar techniques (and an incense composed of olibanum, storax, dictamnus, opium and hashish) to clarify the past, and it is this, combined with a lack of references, which resulted in the Necronomicon being dismissed as largely worthless by historians.

He is often referred to as "the mad Arab", and while he was certainly eccentric by modern standards, there is no evidence to substantiate a claim of madness, (other than a chronic inability to sustain a train of thought for more than a few paragraphs before leaping off at a tangent). He is better compared with figures such as the Greek neo-platonist philosopher Proclus (410-485 A.D.), who was completely at home in astronomy, mathematics, philosophy, and metaphysics, but was sufficiently well versed in the magical techniques of theurgy to evoke Hekate to visible appearance; he was also an initiate of Egyptian and Chaldean mystery religions. It is no accident that Alhazred was intimately familar with the works of Proclus.

Q. What is the printing history of the Necronomicon?
No Arabic manuscript is known to exist; the author Idries Shah carried out a search in the libraries of Deobund in India, Al-Azhar in Egypt, and the Library of the Holy City of Mecca, without success. A Latin translation was made in 1487 (not in the 17th. century as Lovecraft maintains) by a Dominican priest Olaus Wormius. Wormius, a German by birth, was a secretary to the first Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition, Tomas de Torquemada, and it is likely that the manuscript of the Necronomicon was seized during the persecution of Moors ("Moriscos") who had been converted to Catholism under duress; this group was deemed to be unsufficiently pure in its beliefs.

It was an act of sheer folly for Wormius to translate and print the Necronomicon at that time and place. The book must have held an obsessive fascination for the man, because he was finally charged with heresy and burned after sending a copy of the book to Johann Tritheim, Abbot of Spanheim (better known as "Trithemius"); the accompanying letter contained a detailed and blasphemous interpretation of certain passages in the Book of Genesis. Virtually all the copies of Wormius's translation were seized and burned with him, although there is the inevitable suspicion that at least one copy must have found its way into the Vatican Library.

Almost one hundred years later, in 1586, a copy of Wormius's Latin translation surfaced in Prague. Dr. John Dee, the famous English magician, and his assistant Edward Kelly were at the court of the Emperor Rudolph II to discuss plans for making alchemical gold, and Kelly bought the copy from the so-called "Black Rabbi" and Kabbalist, Jacob Eliezer, who had fled to Prague from Italy after accusations of necromancy. At that time Prague had become a magnet for magicians, alchemists and charletons of every kind under the patronage of Rudolph, and it is hard to imagine a more likely place in Europe for a copy to surface.

The Necronomicon appears to have had a marked influence on Kelly; the character of his scrying changed, and he produced an extraordinary communication which struck horror into the Dee household; Crowley interpeted it as the abortive first attempt of an extra-human entity to communicate the Thelemic "Book of the Law". Kelly left Dee shortly afterwards. Dee translated the Necronomicon into English while warden of Christ's College, Manchester, but contrary to Lovecraft, this translation was never printed - the manuscript passed into the collection of the great collector Elias Ashmole, and hence to the Bodleian Library in Oxford.

There are many modern fakes masquerading as the Necronomicon. They can be recognised by a total lack of imagination or intelligence, qualities Alhazred possessed in abundance.

Q. What is the content of the Necronomicon?
The book is best known for its antediluvian speculations. Alhazred appears to have had access to many sources now lost, and events which are only hinted at in the Book of Genesis or the apocryphal Book of Enoch, or disguised as mythology in other sources, are explored in great detail. Alhazred may have used dubious magical techniques to clarify the past, but he also shared with 5th. century B.C. Greek writers such as Thucydides a critical mind and a willingness to explore the meanings of mythological and sacred stories. His speculations are remarkably modern, and this may account for his current popularity: he believed that many species besides the human race had inhabited the Earth, and that much knowledge was passed to mankind in encounters with being from other "spheres". He shared with some neo-platonists the belief that stars are like our sun, and have their own unseen planets with their own lifeforms, but elaborated this belief with a good deal of metaphysical speculation in which these beings were part of a cosmic hierarchy of spiritual evolution. He was also convinced that he had contacted these "Old Ones" using magical invocations, and warned of terrible powers waiting to return to re-claim the Earth - he interpretated this belief in the light of the Apocalypse of St. John, but reversed the ending so that the Beast triumphs after a great war in which the earth is laid waste.

Q. Why did the novelist H.P. Lovecraft claim to have invented the Necronomicon?
The answer to this interesting question lies in two people: the poet and magician Aliester Crowley, and a Brooklyn milliner called Sonia Greene.

There is no question that Crowley read Dee's translation of the Necromonicon in the Ashmolean, probably while researching Dee's papers; too many passages in Crowley's "Book of the Law" read like a transcription of passages in that translation. Either that, or Crowley, who claimed to remember his life as Edward Kelly in a previous incarnation, read it in a previous life! Why doesn't he mention the Necronomicon in his works? He was surprisingly reticent about his real sources - there is a strong suspicion that '777', which Crowley claimed to have written, was largely plagiarised from Allan Bennet's notes. His spiritual debt to Nietzsche, which in an unguarded moment he refers to as "almost an avatar of Thoth, the god of wisdom" is studiously ignored; likewise the influence of Richard Burton's "Kasidah" on his doctrine of True Will. I suspect that the Necronomicon became an embarrassment to Crowley when he realised the extent to which he had unconsciously incorporated passages from the Necronomicon into "The Book of the Law".

In 1918 Crowley was in New York. As always, he was trying to establish his literary reputation, and was contributing to "The International" and "Vanity Fair". Sonia Greene was an energetic and ambitious Jewish emigre with literary ambitions, and she had joined a dinner and lecture club called "Walker's Sunrise Club" (?!); it was there that she first encountered Crowley, who had been invited to give a talk on modern poetry.

It was a good match; in a letter to Norman Mudd, Crowley describes his ideal woman as "rather tall, muscular and plump, vivacious, ambitious, energetic, passionate, age from thirty to thirty five, probably a Jewess, not unlikely a singer or actress addicted to such amusements. She is to be 'fashionable', perhaps a shade loud or vulgar. Very rich of course." Sonia was not an actress or singer, but qualified in other respects. She was earning what, for that time, was an enormous sum of money as a designer and seller of woman's hats. She was variously described as "Junoesque", "a woman of great charm and personal magnetism", "genuinely glamorous with powerful feminine allure", "one of the most beautiful women I have ever met", and "a learned but eccentric human phonograph". In 1918 she was thirty-five years old and a divorcee with an adolescent daughter. Crowley did not waste time as far as women were concerned; they met on an irregular basis for some months.

In 1921 Sonia Greene met the novelist H.P. Lovecraft, and in that year Lovecraft published the first novel where he mentions Abdul Alhazred ("The Nameless City"). In 1922 he first mentions the Necronomicon ("The Hound"). On March 3rd. 1924, H.P. Lovecraft and Sonia Greene married.

We do not know what Crowley told Sonia Greene, and we do not know what Sonia told Lovecraft. However, consider the following quotation from "The Call of Cthulhu" [1926]:

That cult would never die until the stars came right again [precession of the Equinoxes?], and the secret priests would take Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild, and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom.
It may be brief, it may be mangled, but it has the undeniable ring of Crowley's "Book of the Law". It is easy to imagine a situation where Sonia and Lovecraft are laughing and talking in a firelit room about a new story, and Sonia introduces some ideas based on what Crowley had told her; she wouldn't even have to mention Crowley, just enough of the ideas to spark Lovecraft's imagination. There is no evidence that Lovecraft ever saw the Necronomicon, or even knew that the book existed; his Necronomicon is remarkably close to the spirit of the original, but the details are pure invention, as one would expect. There is no Yog-Sothoth or Azathoth or Nyarlathotep in the original, but there is an Aiwaz...

Q. Where can the Necronomicon be found?
Nowhere with certainty, is the short and simple answer, and once more we must suspect Crowley in having a hand in this. In 1912 Crowley met Theodor Reuss, the head of the German Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O), and worked within that order for several years, until in 1922 Reuss resigned as head in Crowley's favour. Thus we have Crowley working in close contact for 10 years with the leader of a German masonic group. In the years from 1933-38 the few known copies of the Necronomicon simply disappeared; someone in the German government of Adolf Hitler took an interest in obscure occult literature and began to obtain copies by fair means or foul. Dee's translation disappeared from the Bodleian following a break-in in the spring of 1934. The British Museum suffered several abortive burglaries, and the Wormius edition was deleted from the catalogue and removed to an underground repository in a converted slate mine in Wales (where the Crown Jewels were stored during the 1939-45 war). Other libraries lost their copies, and today there is no library with a genuine catalogue entry for the Necronomicon. The current whereabouts of copies of the Necronomicon is unknown; there is a story of a large wartime cache of occult and magical documents in the Osterhorn area near Salzburg. There is a recurring story about a copy bound in the skin of concentration camp victims.

Je ne sais pas si on va comprendre mon avis perso mais je vais tenter le truc!!!

Pour moi l'écrit est bien réel, mais c'est un nécronomicon comme un autre... je suis d'enseignement Chaote et je trouve qu'à son état d'origine, en PDF ça le fait moins hein, il est comme un grimoire chaote, peut être plus basé sur la mort d'où sont appellation nécronomicon...
On peut en posséder pleins, comme un grimoire, je trouve que ça c'est un mélange de pratiques qui appel d'autre forces plus anciennes, moi c'est ce qui m'a attiré! Puis mon enseignement m'a aussi permise d'avoir un autre regard sur l'écrit!!!

Quand j'ai décidé de partir avec mon enseignement (très secret à l'époque!) pour l'exploité à ma façon, pour me dénoter et évoluée seule, j'ai parallèlement basées mes connaissances lors des années de pratiques et autres, sur cet écrit et donc j'ai étais emmené à découvrir les "indices" de fake et ceux qui sont étroitement ou entièrement liés à ce nécronomicon.

Aiwaz on le retrouve, fils de Shiva ou d’Horus pour certains, pour d'autre dont moi, c'est le tout, le chaos, un peu genre Sauron dans le seigneur des anneaux!!!

J'ai aussi étudié le phénomène Crowley auquel j'ai piqué quelques petites choses, mais je n'est pas adhéré à la chose, je n'aimais pas la récupération et certaines idées...

J'ai malheureusement pas tout compris à l'article Anglais... j'espère ne pas avoir fais de hors sujet hein!!! lol
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Saeleniem,

Après une grande recherche, il c'est avéré que l'écrit est réel, et à bien existé. Il a été traduit en diverses langues (Latin/Grec, vers le XII° siècle, puis en anglais, en allemand et en espagnole entre 1500 et 1800). Le livre aoriginal, se nommant Al-Azif de l'arabe Abdul Al-Hazred à été retrouver dans une bibliothèque à Buenos Aires. Le "disciple" de Lovecraft prétent que ce livre n'a jamais existé, qu'il n'a été que pur invention de Lovecraft lui même. Pourtant, des notes prisent dans des documents ancien parle de ce livre, et d'autres écrivain on élaboré es écrits étrangement similaire à Lovecraft, sans que aucun d'eux ne se connaissent. De plus, beaucoups de citation, identique au mot prêt reviennent dans leurs livres.
Réçamment, j'ai vu une thèse explicvatif de l'Al-Azif dans une librairie. Il relate l'histoire du livre, et des auteurs. De plus, le nécronomicon est traduit en français, ou du moins une partie. Il est disponible aux éditions Belfond pour 16.50 euros, et s'intule "Le nécronomicon".
Je suis actuellement en train de le lire, je vous donnerais mon avis par la suite, savoir si ce n'est qu'une grande blague ou un écrit sérieux.
De plus, ce livre, si vous le trouvez, à été interdit dans la plupart des pays, donc necessite une immense prudence quand à la révélation de sa possession.

Cordialement.

J'ai le livre dont parle Duriel, il est très sérieux et complet, beaucoup d'auteurs connus prennent la parole, voici les chapitres :
Histoire du necronomicon par Lovecraft
Préface par Michaud
Introduction par Colin Wilson
Lettre du Dr Hinterstoisser
Le necronomicon : ocmmentaires par R.Turner
Déchiffrage du manuscrit de john Dee par D. Langford
Fragments du necronomicon par R.Turner
Al Azif de Abdul al-Hazred
Le jeune Lovecraft par Sprague de Camp
Les rêves des noms éteints par C.Frayling
Lovecraft et son environnement par A. Carter
Postface par J.Altayrac

Concernant la réalité du Necronomicon, voici une histoire.

L'écrivain Colin Wilson parle :
"Tout cela me ramène à ce livre et à son histoire. En 1967, L.Sprague de Camp, qui travaillait alors à sa biographie de Lovecraft, fit un séjour en Inde et au Moyen-Orient avec le romancier de science-fiction Alan Nourse; il recueillait des documents pour son livre sur les Great Cities of the Ancient World. Il rencontra à Bagdad un membre de la Direction générale des antiquités d'Irak, avec lequel il avait entretenu une correspondance et passa quelques jours avec lui à visiter à visiter des sites archéologiques. Lorsque le fonctionnaire irakien apprit le projet de Spargue de Camp d'écrire une biographie de Lovecraft il révéla qu'il se trouvait en possession d'un manuscrit intéressant, écrit dans une langue ancienne assez proche de l'arabe. Sprague de Camp commença d'abord par refuser; ne comprenant pas l'arabe, il pensait ne pas pouvoir tirer parti de ce manuscrit. De plus, la loi interdit d'exporter des manuscrits pouvant être classés comme pièces archéologiques, et il craignait que la douane ne le confisque. Et puis le fonctionnaire restait vague au sujet du manuscrit; il se bornait à dire qu'il s'agissait d'un livre magique. On en resta là. Mais peu de temps avant que Sprague ne quitte Bagdad, l'Irakien aborda à nouveau le sujet, indirectement cette fois. Ils déjeunaient dans un restaurant, avec une douzaine de personnes, assises en terrasse sous une bâche, dont Alan Nourse et un professeur palestinien de l'Université de Beirouth. Par une extraordinaire coïncidence, celui-ci était alors plongé dans la traduction arabe de mon livre The Strength to dream. Sprague mentionna que nous étions amis et la ocnversation porta sur Lovecraft. Sprague demanda si l'on pouvait traduire Al-Azif par The Demonology. Alan Nourse expliqua que ce mot est utilisé par les Arabes pour parler du bruit que font les insectes la nuit et que l'on suppose être le bruissement des démons. Le Palestinien dit qu'il n'avait jamais entendu parler de semblable chose. À ce moment-là, le fonctionnaire de la Direction des antiquités expliqua négligemment que ce mot provient de l'ancienne langue akkadienne et qu'il figurait en tête d'un manuscrit se trouvant dans son bureau. En essayant de contenir son excitation, Sprague lui demanda s'il pouvait le voir et le fonctionnaire accepta de le lui apporter le lendemain matin. Il s'avéra être écrit, à l'encre noire, sur un parchemin brun, et Sprague fut déçu de constater qu'il ne comprenait le sens d'aucun des caractères. Le fonctionnaire lui apprit qu'il était écrit dans une langue appelée duriaque et encore parlée par quelques vieillards du village de Duria, dans la région kurde du nord de l'Irak. Lorsque Sprague lui propsa d'acheter ce manuscrit, le fonctionnaire en demanda un prix assez élevé, mais encore raisonnable. Sprague, certain de pouvoir, en cas de besoin, revendre ce manuscrit au Département des antiquités du Musée de Philadelphie, l'acheta. Il n'eut apparemment aucun problème pour le faire sortir du pays.

De retour aux Etats-Unis, il essaya de le faire traduire et connut une déception. Les experts prétendaient que cette langue ressemblait au perse, mais que dans l'ensemble c'était du charabia. cela réconforta Spargue, qui fit valoir que le mot "charabia" provient d'un alchimiste arabe, à peu près contemporain du légendaire Al-Hazred; mais lorsque Reinhold Carter, du Metropolitan Museum; jugea le manuscrit comme un faux du XIXème siècle, il fut découragé. En 1969, il reçut une lettre du fonctionnaire de Bagdad lui proposant, en post-scriptum, de racheter le manuscrit plus cher qu'il ne l'avait vendu. Sprague l'informa de son désir de discuter de ce problème et ne reçut pas de réponse. Un autre correspondant arabe lui apprit que ce fonctionnaire avait été emprisonné pour avoir détourné des fonds de l'état. En 1973, Sprague décida de publier le manuscrit en fac-similé; il parut avec, comme nom d'imprimeur, la Owlswick Press, Philadelphie, et comme titre, Al-Azif, le Necronomicon. En introduction, Sprague racontait l'histoire réelle de son acquisition, mais se perdait ensuite dans la fiction, prétendant que trois arabisants qui en avaient entrepris la traduction avaient tous trois disparu : en écrivant, ils avaient murmuré les mots à voix basse...En fait, il publia l'ouvrage dans l'espoir d'intéresser à ce mystère quelque spécialiste des langues arabes."

source : le Necronomicon (éd.Belfond)

Savez-vous si le livre est interdit au Canada? J'ai essayé de trouver une liste des pays où il est banni mais j'ai rien trouvé.

Cet ouvrage m'intéresse vraiment.

Enjoy:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99028/ebook-FR-French-Francais-Occultisme-LE-NECRONOMICON
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Merci beaucoup! Very Happy